The most popular article I’ve ever written was Romani, Racism, and Romania, which continually ranks among the most-viewed pages here on this blog. And I see that a Google search for “romanian racism” currently has my article as hit #3. So obviously I hit a nerve on something with that discussion. In particular, I seem to get a lot of Americans who have gone or are going to Romania, and want some context for what seems like a lot of racist behavior on the part of the Romanians.
I’m here to fill that need.
I write from the perspective of a white, middle-class North American. And I’m writing this for the benefit of anyone visiting Romania from America or Western Europe, though I don’t necessarily assume that you’re white. (We’ll cover that below.) My view of Romania is an outsider’s view. However, I speak Romanian fluently, I lived in Romania for a year before getting married, I’m now married to a Romanian, and we continue to visit the country frequently.
Romanians and Anglophone whites
If you go to Romania as an American or British person, you probably won’t experience anything that you’d call racism. However, if you actually attempt to engage in conversation with the locals, you’ll find a lot of stereotypes and assumptions that Romanians make about you. This may occasionally provoke some discomfort.
The first and most obvious thing: everyone will assume that you’re rich. And truth be told, you are pretty rich, compared to most of the people that you meet. This can lead to some uncomfortable situations. Some people may ask you for money, and they may become upset if you won’t give it to them. People may not understand the difference between “can afford to go out for dinner every night while on vacation” and “can afford to give someone a $600 laptop on a whim”, since buying a laptop and going out to dinner frequently are equally signals of wealth and influence to typical working-class Romanians. In general Romanians are very generous with each other; conversely, if you start to make Romanian friends, they will expect and assume that you are going to be generous with them. Many people find this presumption of wealth and generosity to be off-putting–I certainly did when I first started building Romanian friendships.A related point is that you may discover people speaking to you with a certain amount of resentment. Romanians often feel like they’ve been unjustly maligned by history, and that foreigners don’t appreciate their considerable cultural and historical acheivements. As a result they may display a nasty inferiority complex that manifests as the need to constantly put down Westerners, or try to impress them by playing it cool.
Many Romanians are credulous of conspiracy theories and fringe scientific ideas that Americans find ridiculous. An example: I once had the truly surreal experience of talking to a Romanian who insisted that the Jews controlled the banks and the governments. However, he said they were doing as good a job as anyone, so he was content to let them continue.
Romanians who have never been abroad get most of their ideas about America from movies and television. Think about that for a moment. A lot of Romanians assume that America is basically Southern California + New York. And not the actual California and New York, but the Hollywood versions.
Romanians and English-speaking people of color
(I hate the term “people of color”, but I don’t know of anything else that can be used in this situation.)
If you’re a black, Asian, Indian, Native American, or other non-white American, you may be in for a somewhat rougher time in Romania. You’ll find that most of the stereotypes discussed above also apply to you, but with an additional wrinkle: many Romanians will never have meet or spoken to a non-white, non-gypsy person before you. This creates additional opportunities for discomfort.
A lot of people will simply be curious. Try not to take this personally. Americans have been conditioned to avoid directly mentioning or commenting on someone’s race, while Romanians have not. You’ll find that Romanians gleefully trample over the conversational niceties that Americans observe when discussing race. This may come across as rudeness, but it really shouldn’t be interpreted as racism. In fact, you may find that Romanians hold fewer racial stereotypes about blacks and Asians than Americans do, simply because there are almost no people of those races living in Romania and there are no cultural narratives defining what PoC are “supposed” to be like.
The Romanian dependence on Western pop culture without the rest of the Western cultural context can have some surprising and upsetting consequences. I had to explain to my sister-in-law that it’s not okay to call black people “nigger”, and that it’s in fact extremely offensive. She didn’t see what the big deal was: rappers and movie characters use the word all the time! The subtleties of in-group vs. out-group usage were lost on her, and she had no understanding of the history of the word. (Romanians know that black people used to be slaves in America, because for some reason Uncle Tom’s Cabin is quite popular in translation there, but they’re largely oblivious to the complex, bitter history of American race relations following the Civil War.) If you find yourself in a similar situation in Romania, it’s important to be forgiving and remember that your Romanian acquaintances are very likely oblivious to the racist significance of their language.
On the other hand, due to the inferiority complex mentioned above, some Romanians will fixate on any available reason to belittle a Western visitor, including their race. Some people will always be assholes. Hopefully you won’t have to deal with very many of these people.
Romanians and gypsies
Ah, here is where things get bad.
(I’m going to use the word gypsy throughout this section rather than the preferred Roma or Romani, simply to avoid any possible confusion between Romani and Romanian. The two words have nothing to do with each other, and the resemblance between them is completely coincidental.)
Before coming to Romania I thought of gypsies basically the same way I thought of pirates: something exotic and alluring that existed only in distant times and places. I was very excited to see real, live gypsies when I came to Romania. But discovering the actual situation of the gypsies in Romania was a rather rude shock.
The relationship between Romanians and gypsies is the only thing in Romania that’s remotely analogous to the relationship between American whites and blacks. Gypsies have never been enslaved en masse, but they’ve formed a permanent underclass for pretty much the entirety of their history in Romania. Most of them speak Romanian, but many of them also speak a dialect of Roma, their native Indic language. Traditionally gypsies were nomadic, traveling in caravans from place to place, but many of them were forcibly settled during the Communist era, creating miserable little gypsy villages and ghettoes across the country. Most gypsies live in tremendous poverty, they have a very high illiteracy rate, and they’re plagued by many of the same the social ills that attend to the inner cities in America.If you’re visiting from America or Western Europe, you’re not a gypsy. Even if you’re dark skinned, even if you actually have gypsy ancestry, even if you think of yourself as gypsy, your Western wealth and status make you Not A Gypsy in Romanian eyes. However, you’re going to see plenty of gypsies in Romania, and you may be very disturbed by what you find there.
Romanians carry lots of stereotypes about gypsies. Here’s just a few:
- Gypsies are swindlers. If you try to make a bargain with one, you’d better watch out, because he’s going to try to screw you over.
- Gypsies are thieves. If you live near gypsies, you’d better lock everything up tight, because otherwise the gypsies will break in and steal it. Keep a tight grip on your wallet if you see gypsies in the market.
- Gypsies practice witchcraft. You can often see gypsies acting as fortune-tellers in the markets. They can work hexes on you if you insult them.
There are basically two ways to react to this situation, and if you stay in Romania long enough you’re likely to experience both poles of this dichotomy. The options are:
Stuff White People Think: Obviously the gypsies are an oppressed people. The stereotypes about them are completely unfounded, and in fact the existence of all of these negative stereotypes is the reason that gypsies are so poor and underprivileged. If Romanians would just open their eyes and stop being so racist, they’d see that the gypsies are wonderful people with a beautiful culture of their own, and the gypsies and the Romanians would live in perfect harmony.
This viewpoint is likely to persist until the second or third time you get followed through the market with a gypsy woman on your tail begging loudly to read your palm, or until the gypsy boys down the street break into your ground-floor apartment. At that point you’re likely to Buy Into the Hype. Everything that Romanians say about gypsies is true. The gypsies are poor because they’re filthy and dishonest. You have every right to avoid them on the street and watch them distrustfully when you see them in the market. And naturally you’ll want to find another apartment further away from those people.
At this point, it would be nice to say that my experiences in Romania disproved the stereotypes and showed the baselessness of Romanian anti-gypsy prejudice, but that would be a lie. In reality, despite my initial favorable disposition to the gypsy people, I rather quickly learned to keep my wits and wallets about me when I saw gypsies approaching. This sort of thing falls into the realm of unfortunate necessity, a necessity that many people have discovered.
So what does this practically mean for you, the intrepid traveler?
In the first place, I’ll repeat the advice that any tourist is likely to receive. Don’t give money to panhandlers (of any race). Don’t go to people offering to read palms, tarot cards, or any other kind of fortune-telling, no matter how fun or innocent it might seem. Keep an eye on your valuables, especially when in crowded public places like markets. Do all of these things double when gypsies are involved. You may feel uncomfortable about doing so—I certainly feel uncomfortable giving this advice—but you’re not actually helping the gypsies any by letting them steal from you.
On the other hand, don’t hesitate to buy from gypsy vendors who are selling handicrafts or homemade goods.
Don’t bother arguing with Romanians about gypsies and racism or anything of the sort. They’ll tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about, and they’ll be right.
If you actually want to help the welfare of gypsies in Romania, I recommend that you donate to a reputable Romanian charity, or one dedicated to helping gypsies across Europe. You, as a visitor to Romania, are not in much of a position to change Romanian culture or make any real difference in the lives of the gypsies that you meet. However, there are many charities that are doing real work to increase literacy, provide job training, etc., and they’re much better equipped to actually help people break out of the trap of poverty and crime.
One last thing
Have fun in Romania. I love the country, and I can’t wait until the next time my family and I get to go back.
Update: A more positive follow-up.


As an Orthodox convert, I’ve often been fascinated with life in Orthodox countries. I’ve been told that Romanians are the most compatible with Americans for a host of subtle cultural and historical reasons. I’ve even wondered what would be involved in moving there.
I’m curious why they would have said that Romanians are the “most compatible” with Americans. I’m plenty compatible with my wife, but that doesn’t mean that we never had any cross-cultural issues.
In any case, Romania was a wonderful country and you’d enjoy visiting it. I recommend you go to the region of Moldova/Bucovina, where my wife is from, and visit the seven Painted Monasteries and the cave that the famous hermit Daniil Sihastru lived in.
I suppose they were speculating on temperament and the mix of eastern and western culture. There are a couple of Romanians at my parish who I get along with very well, but we’re a big mix of cultures so there really isn’t anyway to speak about such things from personal experience. My limited knowledge about Romania from photos and travel information is very positive. You might be interested in Raoul Pop’s video/interviews I really enjoyed them:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF55FFF3B47304566
“Romania Through Their Eyes”
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gypsies have been enslaved in romania for 600 years, not all gypsies dress like gypsies, all tanned people living in romania have gypsy ancestry;pale white romanians steal and do more illegal things than gypsies but usually they are regarded as gypsies(adjective); if you are educated(college etc) as a gypsy nobody would admit or accept that you are gypsy even if you say that you are one;most discrimination is at an institutional level and that’s a big problem;the cause of envy is that while some gypsies live in extreme poverty and pick up scrap metal or steal to survive, many live better of than the general population but that’s because traditional gypsies inherited alot of gold from their ancestors and have hidden it;in comunism tons of gold have been confiscated from gypsies by state and secret service;gypsies have been mass murdered, killed and hunted for about 800 years (official decrees in all europe)in europe for their gold, pope inventing stories saying they are followers of satan,sons of cain,hamites, etc get your facts straight upon maybe the most persecuted race in the history of europe.
@albert wohn: i was just about to say many of the things you’ve mentioned there
however, just a few amendments: gypsies were not slaves in romania, but serfs (serfdom is quite close to slavery but with some important differences). and i wouldn’t say they were THE most persecuted, i think they come second after the jews (who suffered a lot more than gypsies especially during the fascist period of romania). but indeed the social stigma is a lot greater nowadays towards gypsies while in the case of jews it’s pretty much extinct.
still, a VERY good article. i’m romanian and been living in romania most of my life. the author really nailed it on many points
i would’ve have maybe rephrased it a little towards the end, the article leaves the impression that romanians’ hatred towards gypsies is in fact justified.. Many gypsies in romania are completely assimilated into general society, but many of those won’t openly admit it for fear of social stigma. differences and problems are indeed more visible in the case of traditional gypsies who are also easier to point out. unfortunately, romanians see this as a race issue and not as an integration policy failure (or lack thereof).
I don’t mean to leave the impression that Romanian hatred of gypsies is justified. I do, however, want to poke a hole in the condescending, uninformed way that many Westerners think about the issue. The gypsies don’t “deserve” their status (what would that even mean?), but neither is it the case that Romanian prejudices against gypsies are completely unfounded and irrational. To deal seriously with this issue, we have to grapple with both the unfairness of group prejudice and the social and cultural realities that created that prejudice in the first place.
I just recently discovered a Romanian ancestral link through DNA research. When I read the results of the test and read the words “Romanian” I was shocked and completely taken by surprise. I had never even had an inclining of a clue about this connection me being of African American (or Afro-Euro American) heritage. I asked myself “how did this happen?” I was never drawn by the Romania culture or had any reference points other than the famous gymnast Nadia Comaneci who was owe inspiring during the Olympics of 1976. Now that I know that I am part Romanian, I have started reading what I can on its people and history. Despite the obvious hesitation, I am very curious about this nation and its people.
That’s really interesting, Cara. I wish I knew a good book about Romanian history to recommend you, but alas, most of my knowledge of Romanian history is really piecemeal, and doesn’t come from any one source that I could recommend. Still, I think you’ll find that Romanians are, for the most part, very friendly and hospitable, and they’ll be happy to get to know someone with previously unknown Romanian ancestry.
I’m from Romania and I was curious about what someone else thinks about Romania. It’s a bit strange that everyone knows that they have to keep an eye on gypsies.
Gypsies aren’t all-over the country.They’re living in small groups and they’re very poor OR they’re almost like romanians: living in a house (a normal one), going to school,having a job …
The problem in romanian eyes:
-some gypsies are stealing
-gypsies aren’t trying to get over their bad condition of life
-the ‘colorful’ vocabulary (the rude way some of them speak)
-the hygiene(aren’t very clean)
-the fact that parents don’t try to help kids to grow in harmony and learn good things
But also romanians learn since their childhood that those gypsies aren’t like their family and they don’t have a respectable politeness, hygiene and culture level.
Hope you’ve understood something, I’m not that good at English…I just tried to help…
(I’m just a child but I dont like the way google says that all of us are unclean, lousy, thieves, rude…)
I am romanian too, and I came across your article by chance ….I would just like to say that I disagree with almost everything you said about the romanian people…..I do not know what sort of people you have met during your staying here but let me tell you this:
1. not all romanians have an inferiority complex as you said. I, and I believe all the “normal educated people” from Romania , are wise enought to know that just because you are from the West does not mean you are rich. The way you describe how people look at you when you are foreign and how they ASK YOU FOR MONEy that for me is VERY offensive as I do not know anybody who would think that. My opinion is that your view of the romanian people is indeed expressed with a certain superiority.
2. “Many Romanians are credulous of conspiracy theories”- just becouse you found one person who believes in conspiracy theories does not give you the right to generelize….you have spoken like all romanians are naive…I do believe that many people across the globe trust conspiracy theories to be true, so I don’t see why you would mention such a thing
I could find many more examples in the text below but I will not bother….I am surpized that you lived in Romania for 1 year, are married to a romanian woman and yet you write such things about romania that to me seem foreign. Yes , we have a problem with the gypsies, that is the only aspect I agree upon but to say that we are being racist in an “nonracist” way just because we are not used to seeing other races is plain ignorant . I live in a town (not big, nor small) where we have all sort of races: chinese and african people mostly.
Anyway…I hope your opinion has been created after your stay in a small village in the countryside otherwise I can’t imagine why you would portay such an image of Romania especcialy since in all the major cities you can find any races from arabs from every arabic country possible to people from india or algeria, china etc.
I don’t want to sound like I have an “inferiority complex” like you said , but I believe the image you portrayed here is from maybe the early 90′s right after the revoltuion, in any case not of the 2012 romania or 2011 when the article was written .
Cristina
Cristina, I appreciate your comment and wanted to point out a few things. First off, I repeatedly said many Romanians act a certain way, not all Romanians. Things will vary a lot in different parts of the country. I spent most of my time in Suceava, a medium-sized city, and in the surrounding countryside. The major urban centers (Bucharest, Timisoara) may be different. In Suceava there are a very small number of Asians (maybe 2-3 families), and no black people at all, at least last time I was there.
Nonetheless, what I wrote here really does reflect things that I consistently noticed while I was there. I had my Romanian family look over the article before I published it, and they agreed with most of what I wrote, and thought that I had done a fair job. Please note that I’m not trying to insult Romania with this article, I’m just trying to give visitors an idea of what they might encounter. I’d be very happy to hear that things have gotten better. I’ll be visiting the country for a month next year, so we’ll see then.
The part which bothered me the most, and I am shocked that your wife agreed with you , is the ” Romanians and Anglophone whites” part where you did use the word
” everyone” (everyone will assume that you’re rich. And truth be told, you are pretty rich)
You say you don’t want to be offensive and I beleive that, yet you portrey the romanians as being not only extremely naive but also ignorant, it’s almost like talking about how the indigenous people acted when they first saw the” civilized” people…you may say it is a bit much to say that but trust me, it’s not. i really don’t think you realize just how offensive you were in this part of your article and although I know this was not meant to offend , it does.
My boyfriend’s familiy is English living in the UK and they have been coming to Romania since the 70′s and they indeed told me some of the things that you stated to be true about 20 years ago when romanians “have just been released” from comunism but even they say that things nowadays are nowhere near like they used to be. Many romanians nowadays go on holidays abroad, or go to work abroad in the western countries ( especially romanians from the countryside or small towns where the jobs are less payed) so they know what life is in the west, what the avarage life style is etc. so I do think your article or at least the part I was reffering to above is profoundly unreal and misleading for anyone who wants to come to Romania. Let’s not forget we are in the EU now, not “in the dark ages” of comunism anymore…
We might know a lot more about your culture ( the wars, the “negroes” situation etc) than many of the Americans who are ignorant and don’t know or care about their own history not to mention the history of other people, the “average Joe’s” general culture rate is very low in America. ( I said many, not all but still sounds offensive doesn’t it?:).
Anyway, I stand by my opinion and hope that your experience this year will be much better than last year’s ( although if you go to the same places and meet the same people I don’t think much will change) and I look forward to reading another article about your visit when you get back.
Have a nice day.
Romanian perception of Westerners is probably the thing that’s changed the most in the last several years. The last time I actually lived in Romania was 2004, and I was there when Romania celebrated its entrance into the EU. (Which, by the way, was a terrible idea, and I wish Romania had never joined — but that’s a subject for another day.) Shortly after that the floodgates opened and it seemed like every Romanian with two good feet (and some without) went abroad looking for work.
So you’re basically right about that: Western Europe and America have a lot less mystique for Romanians than they used to, and that part of my discussion above is probably out of date, and becoming more so.
Romania joining EU may have some disadvantages but for the avarage romanian there are a few considerable advantages that directly affect them whilst the political or macro economical disadvantages do not affect them directly.
Such an advantage is being able to visit any European country without needing a Visa . I know for you it doesn’t seem like much because you were born with this “privilege” but I know what waiting for hours on queues at the Embassy for a Visa, (being asked unconfortable questions and being suspected of not being truthfull, that you want to emigrate etc.) means and trust me it’s not pleasent. And not even this would be so bothering if you knew you would certainly get it but in many cases you would’t.( like for Americans…you need visas in some countries but you know there’s no chance of not geting it, it’s a simple formality).
You are right about the work migration but this is both an advantage and a disadvantage as the money sent home from the people working abroad have kept the economy floating for many years and many poor families have been able to work abroad and offer their children an education and life they probably would never have had unless they went to work abroad. I was fortunate that my parents payed for my univeristy studies but I had a lot of colegues whose parents had to work abroad to be able to pay for the fees and rent.
After reading my previous comments I now find them very argumentative but that was not what I intended. It’s just that I did not find myself or any of the people I am surrounded by in the things you wrote because the new generation is miles apart from the last one, and I belive that we can change this country for the better and in my mind I do not consider myself below anybody in this world, being American or Western European , so I felt rather put down by what you said.
Have a nice day!
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Hy up there ! I would like to make a comment to this article. I do not doubt about the good nature and good spirit of Mr. Bangs ,in judging Romanians, however to compare Suceava with the hole of the country is like judging the hole of USA ,after you lived 1 year in El Paso ,Texas.Prejudgements are everywhere in the world and they are tied up to their own cultural place.
I am myself romanian ,left for USA in 1975 and now I live in Denmark and by the way ,the turks and arabs in western Europe they have about the same status as gypsies have in Romania.
Believe or not ,true or false …you can be the judge but you need time to understand a culture.
All the best folks !!!